1 00:00:49,803 --> 00:00:53,803 www.titlovi.com 2 00:00:56,803 --> 00:01:00,136 Next to this quarry, a group called The Quarrymen... 3 00:01:00,407 --> 00:01:02,500 performed at the Village Fete. 4 00:01:03,210 --> 00:01:07,340 There are no plaques or signposts, but at the side of this quarry... 5 00:01:07,414 --> 00:01:11,646 is one of the most significant sites in the whole history of rock 'n' roll. 6 00:01:11,718 --> 00:01:14,414 Because this, in this ground here... 7 00:01:14,488 --> 00:01:17,514 is where Paul McCartney first saw John Lennon... 8 00:01:17,591 --> 00:01:21,118 perform with The Quarrymen, where they first got together. 9 00:01:21,194 --> 00:01:25,688 From here, the whole history of rock 'n' roll was to change... 10 00:01:25,966 --> 00:01:28,366 and Liverpool was to become the rocking city... 11 00:01:28,435 --> 00:01:31,063 create a type of rock 'n' roll and take it right back... 12 00:01:31,138 --> 00:01:33,231 to the home of rock 'n' roll in America. 13 00:01:36,810 --> 00:01:39,472 And here, at St. Peter's Village Hall... 14 00:01:39,546 --> 00:01:43,004 just a short walk away from the Village Fete... 15 00:01:43,083 --> 00:01:44,710 where The Quarrymen played... 16 00:01:44,785 --> 00:01:49,518 about 20 yards from the gravestone of a certain Eleanor Rigby. 17 00:01:50,023 --> 00:01:54,585 And in this very room, rock 'n' roll was redefined... 18 00:01:55,095 --> 00:01:58,428 when Paul sat down to chat with John... 19 00:01:58,632 --> 00:02:01,726 and John started playing some chords on his guitar... 20 00:02:01,802 --> 00:02:04,737 and Paul started writing out some lyrics for him... 21 00:02:04,805 --> 00:02:06,898 and the two of them began to chat... 22 00:02:06,973 --> 00:02:10,909 realized that they had a closeness between them almost straightaway. 23 00:02:11,111 --> 00:02:12,669 As a result... 24 00:02:12,746 --> 00:02:16,512 the huge explosion, exciting new rock 'n' roll... 25 00:02:16,783 --> 00:02:21,516 hit the world in the '60s and it was all born in this very room. 26 00:02:22,055 --> 00:02:25,684 The two of them got together, met, were kindred spirits... 27 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:30,059 and soon after, one of John's friends went up to Paul and said: 28 00:02:30,263 --> 00:02:32,197 "John wants you to join the group." 29 00:02:35,635 --> 00:02:38,536 In the Liverpool home where he lived with his aunt and uncle... 30 00:02:38,605 --> 00:02:42,200 John Lennon dreamed of becoming a rock star like Elvis Presley. 31 00:02:43,443 --> 00:02:45,604 Just down the road lived Paul McCartney... 32 00:02:45,679 --> 00:02:48,739 whose father once played in a ragtime band. 33 00:02:49,516 --> 00:02:51,484 George Harrison, who lived in this house... 34 00:02:51,551 --> 00:02:53,849 and rode the bus to school every day with Paul... 35 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:55,945 idolized guitarist Duane Eddy. 36 00:02:57,257 --> 00:03:00,124 Growing up near the city's docks, Ringo Starr played drums... 37 00:03:00,193 --> 00:03:03,253 with Liverpool's biggest rock band, The Hurricanes... 38 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:06,424 until he met The Beatles in Hamburg, Germany. 39 00:03:07,801 --> 00:03:10,031 None of them had been abroad before... 40 00:03:10,103 --> 00:03:13,072 and suddenly were in this neon-lit street... 41 00:03:13,173 --> 00:03:15,664 with all sorts of sex shops... 42 00:03:15,742 --> 00:03:19,234 and gangsters on the door. 43 00:03:19,312 --> 00:03:21,610 They were just boggle-eyed. 44 00:03:22,716 --> 00:03:27,312 They served their musical apprenticeship in Hamburg. 45 00:03:27,888 --> 00:03:32,188 They worked sometimes from 6:00 at night... 46 00:03:32,359 --> 00:03:35,954 till 3:00 in the morning, and they exploded onstage. 47 00:03:36,062 --> 00:03:38,929 The bouncers thought, '"Oh, my God, there's a fight. '" 48 00:03:38,999 --> 00:03:42,059 It wasn't. It was the explosion of The Beatles. 49 00:03:42,636 --> 00:03:45,730 Then we went back to Liverpool and got quite a few bookings. 50 00:03:45,805 --> 00:03:49,104 They thought we were German. They billed us from Hamburg. 51 00:03:49,309 --> 00:03:51,470 And they all said, "You speak good English." 52 00:03:51,545 --> 00:03:55,242 Brian suggested that we just wore ordinary suits. 53 00:03:55,515 --> 00:03:58,678 So we just got what we thought looked like good suits... 54 00:03:58,818 --> 00:04:00,547 and just got rid of the other gear. 55 00:04:00,887 --> 00:04:04,323 Bands like ourselves, The Beatles, the Big Three, and The Searchers... 56 00:04:04,391 --> 00:04:08,623 and everyone, we all tried to be unique and play our own type of music... 57 00:04:08,695 --> 00:04:10,925 what we liked, and tried to get our own sound. 58 00:04:10,997 --> 00:04:13,830 And because we all were resident at the Cavern Club... 59 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,698 that was the place to come and see all the bands. 60 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:20,196 It wasn't just the music when you went to see The Beatles. 61 00:04:20,273 --> 00:04:23,174 You knew you were going to come out on an absolute high. 62 00:04:24,311 --> 00:04:27,838 This is Mathew Street. This is where the Cavern Club was a really... 63 00:04:27,914 --> 00:04:30,041 raving place in the '60s. 64 00:04:31,251 --> 00:04:33,811 It started off as a trad jazz club... 65 00:04:34,087 --> 00:04:36,954 and then The Swinging Blue Jeans made the place very popular... 66 00:04:37,023 --> 00:04:39,583 with the Blue Jeans' night out. 67 00:04:39,659 --> 00:04:43,618 And then The Beatles started to play here, and all the other groups... 68 00:04:43,697 --> 00:04:46,757 like The Searchers and Gerry and the Pacemakers. 69 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:49,199 This is where the Cavern was. 70 00:04:49,502 --> 00:04:51,595 People ask me about the Cavern... 71 00:04:51,671 --> 00:04:55,402 and I always tell them that it was sweaty and it smelt... 72 00:04:55,675 --> 00:04:59,304 but to me, it was the best rock 'n'roll place that ever was. 73 00:04:59,479 --> 00:05:02,676 And in the early '60s, it was a place where kids... 74 00:05:03,049 --> 00:05:04,812 could rock 'n'roll and have fun... 75 00:05:04,884 --> 00:05:07,444 without anybody getting on their backs. 76 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,978 It was a tremendous atmosphere. I don't know why, but... 77 00:05:11,091 --> 00:05:13,286 I always thought that The Beatles... 78 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,794 sounded better at the Cavern than anywhere. 79 00:05:16,096 --> 00:05:19,657 You know, they were a lot more ballsy than the records. 80 00:05:19,799 --> 00:05:22,893 Brian Epstein, when he went down to the Cavern... 81 00:05:23,436 --> 00:05:26,166 Brian hung out in a completely different world. 82 00:05:26,506 --> 00:05:27,803 He was rich... 83 00:05:27,874 --> 00:05:30,968 he had a successful family, successful furniture business... 84 00:05:31,111 --> 00:05:32,806 that had a small record store in it... 85 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:34,904 which is how... People kept coming in saying: 86 00:05:34,981 --> 00:05:37,415 '"Hey, have you got that record of The Beatles... 87 00:05:37,484 --> 00:05:40,317 '"and Tony Sheridan, 'My Bonnie Lies Over'... Do you have that? '" 88 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:43,248 After the 40th time of kids coming... 89 00:05:43,323 --> 00:05:46,520 and asking for the record, he said, '"Maybe I better get this record. '" 90 00:05:47,293 --> 00:05:50,490 He stocked the record in, sold it out... 91 00:05:50,697 --> 00:05:54,997 got another 1,000, sold that out, and he said, "Who are these kids?" 92 00:05:55,068 --> 00:05:58,231 "They are playing at this place called the Cavern. Check them out." 93 00:05:59,372 --> 00:06:02,273 The Beatles were then just four lads... 94 00:06:02,342 --> 00:06:04,970 on a rather dimly lit stage. 95 00:06:05,612 --> 00:06:09,810 I was immediately struck by their music, their beat... 96 00:06:10,083 --> 00:06:12,643 and their sense of humor, actually, onstage. 97 00:06:12,986 --> 00:06:14,749 And even afterwards, when I met them... 98 00:06:14,821 --> 00:06:17,415 I was struck again by their personal charm. 99 00:06:17,791 --> 00:06:21,420 And it was there that, really, it all started. 100 00:06:22,996 --> 00:06:24,793 We do like the fans... 101 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:28,163 and enjoy reading the publicity about us... 102 00:06:28,668 --> 00:06:33,002 but from time to time, you don't realize that it's actually about yourself. 103 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,870 Once when the boys came for me... 104 00:06:36,076 --> 00:06:38,374 they popped in to see me mom and dad, you know... 105 00:06:38,712 --> 00:06:41,738 we had to go out the back 'cause there was 20 or 30 outside. 106 00:06:42,582 --> 00:06:44,379 And they wouldn't believe me mother. 107 00:06:44,451 --> 00:06:47,386 They'd knock in, saying, '"Can we have their autographs? '" 108 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:54,859 The Beatles came down themselves about 2:30, 3:00 in the morning... 109 00:06:55,028 --> 00:06:58,555 and they were talking to us and signing autographs. 110 00:06:58,631 --> 00:07:02,397 And then they went away, and then we sort of all sat down... 111 00:07:02,669 --> 00:07:05,103 and some of the lazy ones sort of fell asleep... 112 00:07:05,171 --> 00:07:07,935 but the rest of us just kept awake on coffee... 113 00:07:08,007 --> 00:07:09,941 and dreams of The Beatles. 114 00:07:43,209 --> 00:07:46,269 The Beatles were like a gift from God. 115 00:07:47,046 --> 00:07:49,173 I was just at the perfect age for that... 116 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:51,615 fourteen. 117 00:07:52,585 --> 00:07:54,450 Gave us all an identity. 118 00:07:57,724 --> 00:08:00,284 And I've thought before, just for the music... 119 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,262 it was such a bonus that the music was, like, the best music ever. 120 00:08:22,215 --> 00:08:23,876 I was Beatles all the way, man. 121 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:28,350 My bedroom wall was in fact completely covered... 122 00:08:28,555 --> 00:08:33,185 the walls, ceiling, doors... Any Beatle pictures were stuck on my wall. 123 00:08:34,494 --> 00:08:39,397 I used to have these fantasies of Paul McCartney marrying my sister... 124 00:08:39,465 --> 00:08:41,797 and all this kind of crazy stuff. 125 00:08:42,068 --> 00:08:43,535 And how wonderful it all was. 126 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:46,338 You're going over to the States early in the new year... 127 00:08:46,406 --> 00:08:49,807 and you're going to top the bill on the Ed Sullivan Coast to Coast Show. 128 00:08:49,876 --> 00:08:52,071 John, so far all British pop stars... 129 00:08:52,145 --> 00:08:54,306 have not made a tremendous impact on the States. 130 00:08:54,380 --> 00:08:56,371 How do you think you're going to fare? 131 00:08:56,983 --> 00:09:00,384 I can't really say, can I? I mean, is it up to me? No. 132 00:09:00,453 --> 00:09:02,478 I just hope we go all right, you know. 133 00:09:02,555 --> 00:09:05,115 Are you going to vary your act for the American audience? 134 00:09:05,191 --> 00:09:08,558 No. We haven't really got an act, so we'll just do what we do. 135 00:09:08,862 --> 00:09:11,057 I went to New York with the boys... 136 00:09:11,164 --> 00:09:12,688 and you would see men... 137 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,795 middle-aged men walking down 5th Avenue... 138 00:09:15,869 --> 00:09:17,837 with Beatles wigs on their heads. 139 00:09:17,904 --> 00:09:22,170 And no matter where you turned your dial on the radio... 140 00:09:22,842 --> 00:09:24,400 at any time of the day... 141 00:09:24,510 --> 00:09:27,240 you would hear a Beatles song. It was complete saturation. 142 00:09:27,814 --> 00:09:30,806 I think life for The Beatles in the early days was very tough. 143 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:32,713 Once the success had come... 144 00:09:32,785 --> 00:09:37,119 once they were not only a success in England but also broke the breeches... 145 00:09:37,323 --> 00:09:38,984 in America... 146 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,960 then they lived in a giant goldfish bowl, and they couldn't escape. 147 00:09:45,198 --> 00:09:47,928 The British invasion this time goes by the code name: 148 00:09:48,001 --> 00:09:48,990 Beatlemania. 149 00:09:49,102 --> 00:09:52,538 D- day has been common knowledge for months and this was the day. 150 00:09:54,908 --> 00:09:56,671 The Beatles are coming. 151 00:09:56,743 --> 00:10:01,077 It got bigger and bigger. Finally we got to the point... 152 00:10:01,214 --> 00:10:03,341 where they landed at the airport in New York... 153 00:10:03,416 --> 00:10:07,182 and there was 50,000 people there. It was unbelievable. 154 00:10:09,188 --> 00:10:12,521 I said, "This is it. It's all over but the shouting." 155 00:10:12,825 --> 00:10:15,316 We had never seen an airport that you couldn't get to... 156 00:10:15,395 --> 00:10:17,920 because of kids standing out there, screaming. 157 00:10:18,231 --> 00:10:22,031 We'd never seen kids fainting like that at concerts. 158 00:10:22,869 --> 00:10:25,599 We'd never heard screams like that... 159 00:10:25,672 --> 00:10:28,163 that you couldn't even hear the music while the guys... 160 00:10:28,241 --> 00:10:30,175 And you knew they were playing. 161 00:10:30,243 --> 00:10:33,178 We knew that there was a problem that had just landed. 162 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,542 I knew that they were different... 163 00:10:37,083 --> 00:10:40,018 and that their voices blended together... 164 00:10:40,086 --> 00:10:42,077 and that they had a great talent. 165 00:10:42,722 --> 00:10:45,885 And I knew they were going to be big, and I hated them for that. 166 00:10:47,593 --> 00:10:49,060 What do you think of the comment... 167 00:10:49,128 --> 00:10:51,722 that you're nothing but a bunch of British Elvis Presleys? 168 00:10:51,798 --> 00:10:53,663 It's not true. 169 00:10:56,402 --> 00:10:58,563 Are you going to get a haircut while you're here? 170 00:10:58,638 --> 00:11:00,833 - Nope. No, thanks. - I had one yesterday. 171 00:11:02,508 --> 00:11:05,068 And that's no lie. It's the truth. 172 00:11:05,979 --> 00:11:09,676 I remember one day, I combed my hair down in a Beatle haircut... 173 00:11:09,749 --> 00:11:12,217 and my father laughed. He thought that was so funny. 174 00:11:12,285 --> 00:11:14,719 When he realized I wasn't going to comb it back... 175 00:11:14,787 --> 00:11:16,220 he got really pissed off. 176 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:35,264 These girls were losing their minds. 177 00:11:35,408 --> 00:11:38,002 This appealed to me in a very fundamental way. 178 00:11:38,077 --> 00:11:41,137 I think I was about 13 or 14, and these girls were going nuts. 179 00:11:42,315 --> 00:11:43,475 I was pregnant... 180 00:11:43,683 --> 00:11:47,847 with Kenya, my daughter, when the Beatles thing swept. 181 00:11:49,188 --> 00:11:51,918 And I remember I Want To Hold Your Hand... 182 00:11:52,058 --> 00:11:56,620 and I'd be in the kitchen just sweeping and cooking... 183 00:11:56,863 --> 00:12:00,663 and taking care of the babies, singing I Want To Hold Your Hand. 184 00:12:02,301 --> 00:12:04,861 I was so taken with I Want To Hold Your Hand... 185 00:12:04,937 --> 00:12:07,667 that I was up all night 'cause I didn't have a copy of it... 186 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:10,231 and I wanted to hear it. They played it once an hour. 187 00:12:10,610 --> 00:12:12,805 When we saw what happened with The Beatles... 188 00:12:13,146 --> 00:12:16,673 we had a meeting and said, "What are we going to do here? 189 00:12:16,883 --> 00:12:20,717 "We're getting eclipsed by a group called The Beatles from London." 190 00:12:21,054 --> 00:12:25,115 My God... We were completely jealous as hell. 191 00:12:25,892 --> 00:12:27,985 I guess that might have turned our motors on... 192 00:12:28,061 --> 00:12:29,392 maybe got something happening... 193 00:12:29,462 --> 00:12:32,158 where we would be better musically than The Beatles. 194 00:13:17,043 --> 00:13:19,341 The Beach Boys were hugely important... 195 00:13:20,213 --> 00:13:24,115 demonstrating what you could do and what you couldn't do in a studio... 196 00:13:24,484 --> 00:13:25,473 opening up the... 197 00:13:25,551 --> 00:13:27,781 And Motown had already done that to some extent. 198 00:13:27,854 --> 00:13:29,981 You know, Motown had actually shown... 199 00:13:30,056 --> 00:13:32,889 that black pop dance music, R and B dance music... 200 00:13:33,126 --> 00:13:36,118 could just be extraordinarily beautiful to listen to... 201 00:13:36,195 --> 00:13:38,186 and beautifully produced and elegant. 202 00:13:41,267 --> 00:13:43,633 It was a very big influence. 203 00:13:44,103 --> 00:13:46,537 When we first started to make... 204 00:13:48,341 --> 00:13:49,968 a bunch of hits... 205 00:13:51,310 --> 00:13:52,299 in Detroit... 206 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,144 and we called it the Motown sound... 207 00:13:56,916 --> 00:13:59,214 people were coming from Africa. 208 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:01,953 They were coming from England. 209 00:14:02,021 --> 00:14:06,424 They were coming from Chicago, New York, Nashville and Memphis... 210 00:14:07,293 --> 00:14:09,158 to record their people in Detroit... 211 00:14:09,228 --> 00:14:12,197 because they thought they would get the Motown sound... 212 00:14:12,298 --> 00:14:13,697 like it was in the air somewhere. 213 00:14:14,033 --> 00:14:18,470 Motown is history. It is the greatest. And there will always be a Motown. 214 00:14:18,871 --> 00:14:21,169 And when you look at Motown and listen to Motown... 215 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,504 and listen to any artist that comes from Motown... 216 00:14:23,576 --> 00:14:25,771 you think of Berry Gordy... 217 00:14:26,078 --> 00:14:27,545 Stevie Wonder... 218 00:14:28,447 --> 00:14:29,971 The Supremes... 219 00:14:30,082 --> 00:14:31,413 The Four Tops... 220 00:14:32,451 --> 00:14:33,577 Marvin Gaye... 221 00:14:34,253 --> 00:14:35,515 Temptations... 222 00:14:35,888 --> 00:14:38,322 You have to think of just these people... 223 00:14:38,391 --> 00:14:41,326 because that was the foundation of the Detroit sound. 224 00:14:41,460 --> 00:14:43,690 And it lives today, and it will always live. 225 00:15:25,905 --> 00:15:28,237 The music of the time, like The Beach Boys and Motown... 226 00:15:28,374 --> 00:15:31,571 really didn't affect us, because that was still American music. 227 00:15:31,777 --> 00:15:35,178 America at the time was hung up from these daft people from England... 228 00:15:35,248 --> 00:15:36,875 these scouses from Liverpool... 229 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:39,747 singing this daft happy music that they enjoyed doing. 230 00:15:39,819 --> 00:15:42,447 So the Motown scene didn't matter to us, really. 231 00:15:42,521 --> 00:15:45,115 We had our own niche with the American public. 232 00:15:45,458 --> 00:15:48,791 1964 was the beginning of the British invasion... 233 00:15:48,861 --> 00:15:53,355 when The Beatles finally broke down the barriers. 234 00:15:53,933 --> 00:15:57,232 And I guess that, because it'd been pent up so much... 235 00:15:57,303 --> 00:15:59,794 because people were awaiting it... 236 00:15:59,872 --> 00:16:03,171 there had been singles released on little labels... 237 00:16:03,876 --> 00:16:05,639 it came with a big rush. 238 00:16:07,146 --> 00:16:10,775 And in that breach poured lots of British talent after it. 239 00:16:41,614 --> 00:16:43,548 I actually wrote it for my girlfriend. 240 00:16:43,616 --> 00:16:46,881 We had an argument one evening, and she said, "We're finished." 241 00:16:47,353 --> 00:16:49,548 I thought, "How can I get her to come back to me?" 242 00:16:49,622 --> 00:16:52,147 So I wrote Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying... 243 00:16:52,224 --> 00:16:55,955 for her and I sent it to her on a tape, and two days later she rang me back... 244 00:16:56,028 --> 00:16:58,656 and she said, "Gerry, can we get back together again?" 245 00:16:58,831 --> 00:17:01,925 That young girl from all those years ago is now my wife. 246 00:17:28,527 --> 00:17:30,620 We were always impressed by the English bands... 247 00:17:30,696 --> 00:17:34,097 largely because a lot of the bands that came over here... 248 00:17:34,367 --> 00:17:36,232 were just the cream of the English bands. 249 00:17:36,302 --> 00:17:39,863 Over here, we're exposed to every band, and there's really bad bands... 250 00:17:39,939 --> 00:17:42,499 and there's really good bands, and everything in between. 251 00:17:42,575 --> 00:17:45,874 But the ones that would make it over here from England were the best. 252 00:17:45,978 --> 00:17:47,946 Many people came up to me and said... 253 00:17:48,013 --> 00:17:50,914 that the first time they heard us and House Of The Rising Sun... 254 00:17:50,983 --> 00:17:52,575 was on the Chuck Berry tour. 255 00:17:52,685 --> 00:17:54,676 When we met Chuck Berry... 256 00:17:55,321 --> 00:17:57,414 he was instrumental in making The Animals... 257 00:17:57,490 --> 00:17:59,617 really successful in America. 258 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,335 We were on tour with Chuck Berry... 259 00:18:17,009 --> 00:18:19,569 and every band in Britain wanted to be on that tour. 260 00:18:19,645 --> 00:18:21,806 The Stones were standing in line. 261 00:18:22,548 --> 00:18:27,178 Everybody was making agent, managerial, political overtures... 262 00:18:27,253 --> 00:18:28,811 to get on the Chuck Berry tour. 263 00:18:28,988 --> 00:18:30,785 And we pulled it off. 264 00:18:31,390 --> 00:18:34,621 I realized that if you try to out-rock Chuck Berry... 265 00:18:34,693 --> 00:18:36,217 you're wasting your time. 266 00:18:36,295 --> 00:18:38,855 So I was looking for a song that wouldn't be... 267 00:18:42,401 --> 00:18:46,531 and would have a different feel to it, but that would be very erotic... 268 00:18:46,605 --> 00:18:49,005 and very atmospheric. 269 00:18:49,442 --> 00:18:52,536 So we sang House Of The Rising Sun. 270 00:19:15,234 --> 00:19:17,600 When The Animals first went to America... 271 00:19:17,736 --> 00:19:20,330 we flew into Kennedy airport... 272 00:19:20,706 --> 00:19:24,073 and the pilot told the passengers... 273 00:19:24,143 --> 00:19:26,839 that we had to be taken to a separate part of the airport... 274 00:19:26,912 --> 00:19:30,279 because the fans were mobbing security guards... 275 00:19:30,349 --> 00:19:32,146 were creating mayhem at the reception. 276 00:19:32,218 --> 00:19:33,845 And then we were hustled into a car... 277 00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:36,387 taken to an airport building that we stood behind... 278 00:19:36,455 --> 00:19:38,923 and there was a press conference with loads of chaps... 279 00:19:38,991 --> 00:19:43,155 with cameras and notebooks all sitting there very nicely. 280 00:19:43,496 --> 00:19:45,987 And then they asked us to go onto the stage... 281 00:19:46,065 --> 00:19:49,501 and they said, "Animals, do something. Roar. Growl." 282 00:19:49,568 --> 00:19:51,559 All of a sudden, we were standing in front... 283 00:19:51,637 --> 00:19:54,504 you know, like animals in a zoo, being told to perform. 284 00:19:54,573 --> 00:19:56,131 Then we were hustled through customs. 285 00:19:56,208 --> 00:19:59,575 They thought it'd be a great exercise to be filmed going into New York. 286 00:19:59,645 --> 00:20:01,510 They'd got all these British sports cars... 287 00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:04,208 and we had to sit perched very precariously... 288 00:20:04,283 --> 00:20:06,148 on the back of these sports cars... 289 00:20:06,218 --> 00:20:09,847 driven all the way from Kennedy Airport into the center of Manhattan... 290 00:20:09,922 --> 00:20:12,117 waving at nonexistent crowds... 291 00:20:12,191 --> 00:20:15,718 and we were opening at the Paramount Theater in New York... 292 00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:18,627 and we did 50 shows in 10 days. 293 00:20:19,498 --> 00:20:21,625 There was a great sense of brotherhood... 294 00:20:22,668 --> 00:20:25,796 great sense of, "We're all in this together... 295 00:20:26,705 --> 00:20:31,074 "and let's go to America and kick ass," you know? 296 00:20:31,577 --> 00:20:35,240 The Animals and The Stones were very similar... 297 00:20:35,414 --> 00:20:37,575 to the northwest bands. 298 00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:40,384 That raw edge to them, the roughness. 299 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:44,250 They weren't in suits. They were sort of anti-establishment. 300 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:47,382 But we were all cowboy fanatics at the time. 301 00:20:47,459 --> 00:20:49,518 We liked all the Western movies from Hollywood... 302 00:20:49,595 --> 00:20:51,529 like all the John Ford movies... 303 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:53,960 and we thought, "We'll go the opposite way. 304 00:20:54,033 --> 00:20:57,093 "We'll call ourselves The Searchers, after the John Wayne movie." 305 00:20:57,436 --> 00:21:00,303 But with Needles and Pins, it was such a big number one for us. 306 00:21:00,372 --> 00:21:01,896 It was number one for four weeks. 307 00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:54,282 Image was very important, name was very important... 308 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,260 behavior was very important. 309 00:21:58,664 --> 00:22:00,928 Music was kind of important. 310 00:22:01,667 --> 00:22:03,999 What was more important than the music you played... 311 00:22:04,069 --> 00:22:07,129 was where the music you played originated. 312 00:22:09,441 --> 00:22:12,569 And for The Stones, they played blues. 313 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:16,739 Four months after The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show... 314 00:22:16,815 --> 00:22:18,976 The Rolling Stones landed in America. 315 00:22:19,585 --> 00:22:21,177 The band had taken its name... 316 00:22:21,253 --> 00:22:23,448 from the song by bluesman Muddy Waters... 317 00:22:23,656 --> 00:22:27,023 and their barreling style from rock pioneer Chuck Berry. 318 00:22:47,146 --> 00:22:49,478 The British were going straight to the sources. 319 00:22:49,548 --> 00:22:52,517 Willie Dixon, you know. Chuck Berry. 320 00:22:52,584 --> 00:22:55,451 They were going right straight where it came from. 321 00:22:55,688 --> 00:22:59,146 And they hit it hard 'cause they knew that's... The Delta Blues. 322 00:22:59,224 --> 00:23:01,192 They knew exactly what the sources were... 323 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:03,558 because they were students of American music... 324 00:23:03,629 --> 00:23:06,063 and much more so than American musicians were. 325 00:23:06,131 --> 00:23:08,361 They gave everybody a run for their money. 326 00:23:17,142 --> 00:23:19,269 My first impression of The Rolling Stones was: 327 00:23:19,912 --> 00:23:22,437 "Yeah. That's the band I want to be in. 328 00:23:22,848 --> 00:23:24,406 "I'm going to be in that band." 329 00:23:29,121 --> 00:23:31,521 You know, it's amazing what the imagination... 330 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:35,117 and a bit of fate and determination can do. 331 00:23:45,037 --> 00:23:46,800 The first tour was tough. 332 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,702 We were popular in New York and LA. But the rest of it. Forget it. 333 00:23:50,776 --> 00:23:53,745 We used to play to empty stadiums. 334 00:23:55,681 --> 00:23:57,205 It was tough. 335 00:23:57,449 --> 00:23:59,212 The America then was... 336 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,612 very conservative in its attitudes. 337 00:24:11,663 --> 00:24:14,894 We had a motel with a swimming pool. It was right next to a freeway. 338 00:24:15,601 --> 00:24:18,934 Obviously, some outraged Southern cop had driven by... 339 00:24:19,004 --> 00:24:21,495 and seen these longhaired people with no bras on... 340 00:24:21,874 --> 00:24:23,398 around the swimming pool. 341 00:24:23,509 --> 00:24:26,774 Five minutes later up come the state troopers... 342 00:24:26,845 --> 00:24:29,712 good old redneck boys, you know... 343 00:24:30,449 --> 00:24:32,849 to arrest these chicks for topless bathing. 344 00:24:33,218 --> 00:24:36,016 And then they're, "What are they..." 345 00:24:36,455 --> 00:24:38,389 So they're taken aback. 346 00:24:38,457 --> 00:24:41,255 We don't understand why we're supposed to be arrested... 347 00:24:41,326 --> 00:24:44,625 because, you know, "I'm sorry. I left the bra in London." 348 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:46,993 Why do you like The Rolling Stones? 349 00:24:47,065 --> 00:24:49,590 Because Keith is beautiful and they're great. 350 00:24:49,668 --> 00:24:52,159 And because they're so ugly that they're appealing. 351 00:24:52,571 --> 00:24:54,971 I think they're the greatest. They dress different. 352 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,100 They're the best things that have ever happened in the U.S. 353 00:24:58,177 --> 00:25:01,738 We could see where we had an audience... 354 00:25:01,914 --> 00:25:04,906 where we went down really well. 355 00:25:04,983 --> 00:25:07,417 They loved it, so we could see what we were gonna get... 356 00:25:07,486 --> 00:25:11,081 and we had supporters, we has disc jockeys that liked our records. 357 00:25:12,057 --> 00:25:16,756 But, anyway, we knew we had to come back and do it again and again. 358 00:25:22,134 --> 00:25:25,399 It was a bit scary. I mean, we had some very scary moments. 359 00:25:25,971 --> 00:25:28,235 I remember one moment that scared me very much. 360 00:25:28,307 --> 00:25:30,332 We were in a limo, coming to a gig... 361 00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:33,640 and the whole thing was just engulfed with people... 362 00:25:33,712 --> 00:25:35,043 just all over the limo. 363 00:25:35,113 --> 00:25:38,105 And then I thought, '"No one's coming here. 364 00:25:38,183 --> 00:25:41,550 '"We're just kind of stuck in this limo. What's actually gonna happen? '" 365 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:44,345 The Rolling Stones had a big influence on everybody... 366 00:25:44,423 --> 00:25:46,584 as to what to do and what not to do. 367 00:25:47,192 --> 00:25:50,650 You know, they're the best example of doing the right thing... 368 00:25:50,729 --> 00:25:53,220 and then doing the wrong thing. 369 00:25:53,298 --> 00:25:55,994 The Beatles were the good boys. The Stones were the bad boys. 370 00:25:56,068 --> 00:25:58,127 Being the bad boys may have been more fun... 371 00:25:58,203 --> 00:26:00,671 and I think The Beatles may have been jealous of that. 372 00:26:01,006 --> 00:26:04,100 The Beatles and The Stones were always friends... 373 00:26:04,176 --> 00:26:05,973 but they were also rivals. 374 00:26:06,645 --> 00:26:08,840 The Stones were kind of upstarts, in a way. 375 00:26:08,914 --> 00:26:12,372 They came almost, but a little bit later than The Beatles... 376 00:26:13,085 --> 00:26:18,022 and I guess The Stones were the image that the mothers didn't want... 377 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:21,559 whereas The Beatles became the image that mothers did want... 378 00:26:21,627 --> 00:26:23,857 so, in a way, that worked against The Beatles... 379 00:26:23,929 --> 00:26:26,921 who really wanted to be as rough and tough as The Stones. 380 00:26:27,966 --> 00:26:30,093 I woke up in the middle of the night... 381 00:26:30,669 --> 00:26:34,036 put it down to maybe a minute of... 382 00:26:36,208 --> 00:26:38,073 '"I can't get no satisfaction. '" 383 00:26:39,177 --> 00:26:42,977 And woke up the next morning and looked at my cassette machine... 384 00:26:43,048 --> 00:26:47,678 and seen that it's gone from the beginning of the tape to the end... 385 00:26:47,753 --> 00:26:49,846 and I don't remember doing any of this. 386 00:26:50,289 --> 00:26:53,315 What people said about it was that the lyrics were kind of... 387 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,793 very direct. 388 00:26:58,964 --> 00:27:00,955 I just wrote what I felt, really. 389 00:28:29,421 --> 00:28:31,912 You couldn't ask for better rock 'n'roll-type people... 390 00:28:32,024 --> 00:28:33,389 than The Beatles or The Stones. 391 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:38,591 The Beatles and Gerry and the Pacemakers made it... 392 00:28:38,663 --> 00:28:39,857 and The Searchers made it... 393 00:28:39,931 --> 00:28:41,899 and Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas made it... 394 00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:43,264 and there were no bands left. 395 00:28:43,335 --> 00:28:46,498 They'd all become stars and gone to London, and they were touring... 396 00:28:46,571 --> 00:28:47,697 in the big buildings. 397 00:28:47,773 --> 00:28:50,867 So the only club band left basically, the best of what was left... 398 00:28:50,942 --> 00:28:52,273 was Herman's Hermits. 399 00:29:17,402 --> 00:29:20,200 Every band had to be different, otherwise you couldn't survive. 400 00:29:20,272 --> 00:29:21,603 You had to find your thing. 401 00:29:21,873 --> 00:29:24,842 And Herman's Hermits chose to go the pop sound. 402 00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:27,845 I couldn't write songs like John Lennon or Paul McCartney. 403 00:29:27,913 --> 00:29:31,246 I looked silly wearing the leather clothes. 404 00:29:31,316 --> 00:29:35,616 You know, I didn't look like a Gene Vincent-type character. 405 00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:42,158 I wasn't part of a band, so we chose to be like a pop band. 406 00:29:42,227 --> 00:29:45,321 We went, '"Let's do good romantic songs. 407 00:29:45,397 --> 00:29:49,731 '"Let's make records like old movies where everyone lives happily ever after. '" 408 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,142 I had become friendly with Paul McCartney and... 409 00:30:04,216 --> 00:30:06,309 had heard this song that he'd written called... 410 00:30:06,384 --> 00:30:10,445 "World Without Love," which The Beatles had declined to do. 411 00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:15,123 I heard it and thought that it was a song Gordon and I could sing reasonably well. 412 00:30:15,193 --> 00:30:17,354 So I asked Paul. 413 00:30:17,696 --> 00:30:22,463 I said, "We've got this record contract. We're going to go and cut some songs. 414 00:30:22,667 --> 00:30:26,068 "Could you finish that song?" It was unfinished. It didn't have a bridge. 415 00:30:26,138 --> 00:30:28,800 And he finished it, wrote the bridge... 416 00:30:29,274 --> 00:30:32,937 and we went and recorded it. And fortunately it was a big hit. 417 00:31:27,365 --> 00:31:30,766 It really wasn't until The Beatles and the whole English invasion... 418 00:31:30,835 --> 00:31:33,770 that I became just a crazed Anglophile... 419 00:31:33,838 --> 00:31:37,035 and would pick up anything I could about English bands... 420 00:31:37,108 --> 00:31:40,441 particularly ones that weren't even available in the States. 421 00:31:40,512 --> 00:31:44,380 But it was always English music for me. That was the turning point. 422 00:31:45,116 --> 00:31:48,950 The Kinks were much more quintessentially English. 423 00:31:49,187 --> 00:31:51,087 I always think... 424 00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:54,882 that Ray Davies should one day be poet laureate. 425 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,861 You know, he invented a new kind of poetry... 426 00:31:59,831 --> 00:32:02,629 and a new kind of language for pop writing... 427 00:32:02,701 --> 00:32:07,001 which I think influenced me from the very beginning. 428 00:32:07,606 --> 00:32:11,804 The Kinks were completely crazy. Completely. 429 00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:14,337 They would do things like... 430 00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:17,878 cut all the wires... 431 00:32:18,416 --> 00:32:22,819 to the electricity while you were playing. Just cut them with pliers. 432 00:32:23,355 --> 00:32:26,051 They would throw things at you while you were playing. 433 00:32:26,124 --> 00:32:28,183 They were completely nuts. 434 00:32:28,793 --> 00:32:32,854 But once you heard that You Really Got Me... 435 00:32:34,733 --> 00:32:38,931 you knew that they were destined for fame and glory. 436 00:33:03,928 --> 00:33:07,022 London was the known center of the universe... 437 00:33:07,098 --> 00:33:09,259 as far as the '60s were concerned. 438 00:33:09,334 --> 00:33:11,700 I'm not saying that in a conceited manner. 439 00:33:11,770 --> 00:33:14,967 It's where the fashion was emanating from. 440 00:33:15,173 --> 00:33:17,164 Politics were unfolding. 441 00:33:17,342 --> 00:33:20,903 Carnaby Street was for the kids... 442 00:33:21,446 --> 00:33:26,042 coming in on the tube to think they were buying what Londoners were buying. 443 00:33:26,117 --> 00:33:29,348 If Eric Clapton wore a suit... 444 00:33:29,421 --> 00:33:32,822 with wide lapels, like a Georgian suit... 445 00:33:32,891 --> 00:33:35,826 it very quickly appeared in Carnaby Street. 446 00:33:36,061 --> 00:33:38,791 It really was, all the Carnaby Street thing... 447 00:33:38,897 --> 00:33:40,455 Fantastic clubs. 448 00:33:40,865 --> 00:33:44,392 It's a memory that you don't have to romanticize. 449 00:33:44,469 --> 00:33:46,460 It was very real. 450 00:34:11,763 --> 00:34:15,392 All of a sudden, kids had to have long hair like they had in England. 451 00:34:15,467 --> 00:34:17,662 We almost began to talk like Englishmen. 452 00:34:17,736 --> 00:34:19,226 We wore the same clothing. 453 00:34:19,304 --> 00:34:23,502 All sorts of things happened with the look that we borrowed from England. 454 00:34:23,675 --> 00:34:25,905 We took how we looked... 455 00:34:26,111 --> 00:34:28,909 we took fashion and all that stuff very seriously. 456 00:34:29,347 --> 00:34:33,181 I remember thinking a lot about how I would have to look. 457 00:34:42,193 --> 00:34:45,685 The energy in London, and the energy around the music... 458 00:34:46,164 --> 00:34:49,725 and then The Stones, there was this onward-going battle. 459 00:34:50,335 --> 00:34:52,997 They were all down in the clubs together. 460 00:34:53,071 --> 00:34:56,438 But it was all about, "Where are you on the charts today?" 461 00:34:56,508 --> 00:34:58,533 And it was all very real, you know. 462 00:34:58,643 --> 00:35:02,238 They were pumping records out, and they were so prolific. 463 00:35:02,947 --> 00:35:07,384 Andrew Oldham was very keen that we write songs because of obvious reasons. 464 00:35:07,452 --> 00:35:09,443 First, we got more money. 465 00:35:09,521 --> 00:35:11,887 One of those was As Tears Go By... 466 00:35:12,023 --> 00:35:15,652 which Marianne Faithfull recorded, and that was a quite good one. 467 00:35:15,927 --> 00:35:19,624 But again, it was a song written for a woman, more or less. 468 00:35:22,634 --> 00:35:26,126 It became a hit because it was a better song, she was good looking... 469 00:35:26,204 --> 00:35:28,138 and Andrew promoted it, and so on. 470 00:35:28,206 --> 00:35:32,074 And we promoted it because we wrote it, by which time, we were quite well known. 471 00:35:32,143 --> 00:35:33,940 The whole thing of it took off. 472 00:35:34,012 --> 00:35:36,810 I did realize that it was a very strange song... 473 00:35:36,881 --> 00:35:39,975 for a 17-year-old to sing. 474 00:35:40,185 --> 00:35:44,815 And, of course, it's haunted me all my life and probably always will. 475 00:35:45,523 --> 00:35:47,787 It took me a long time to really like it. 476 00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:51,317 I couldn't until I really became more the right age. 477 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:24,922 My legs were shaking. My knees were knocking together... 478 00:36:24,996 --> 00:36:27,931 which, of course, was incredibly charming, I suppose... 479 00:36:28,433 --> 00:36:32,199 for the audience to see this beautiful little, blond... 480 00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:35,501 angelic creature shaking with fear... 481 00:36:35,573 --> 00:36:38,770 listening to people judging As Tears Go By. 482 00:36:39,677 --> 00:36:41,577 I always liked the British sound. 483 00:36:41,913 --> 00:36:45,041 We got fearful 'cause they were getting ready to dominate the charts. 484 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:48,617 It was kind of a fearful thing for Motown, '"Wow, what's going to happen? '" 485 00:36:48,686 --> 00:36:50,085 But it really didn't hurt at all. 486 00:36:50,154 --> 00:36:52,918 It's just that they had their space and we just had ours. 487 00:36:53,191 --> 00:36:56,092 It was really a great compliment to everybody... 488 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,822 that these two musics were really dominating the charts. 489 00:36:59,097 --> 00:37:03,056 There were so many Motown artists who were all good. 490 00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:07,498 It was just like a stable of talented people. 491 00:37:07,805 --> 00:37:09,796 When I listen to some of The Supremes... 492 00:37:09,874 --> 00:37:12,934 they are bigger than The Beatles, as far as I am concerned... 493 00:37:13,011 --> 00:37:16,242 but they never got that recognition. That always bothered me. 494 00:37:16,548 --> 00:37:20,450 'Cause The Supremes were the biggest things happening. 495 00:38:12,503 --> 00:38:17,167 The Spoonful was touring the south in 1965... 496 00:38:17,241 --> 00:38:19,175 with The Supremes. 497 00:38:19,978 --> 00:38:21,673 The theory being... 498 00:38:21,746 --> 00:38:25,842 both of us were going to increase our audience base. 499 00:38:25,917 --> 00:38:30,479 And we were both anxious to share in some of the other's audience. 500 00:38:58,016 --> 00:39:02,851 We provided a direct rebuttal to the English invasion. 501 00:39:03,488 --> 00:39:05,456 People kind of expected us... 502 00:39:05,523 --> 00:39:08,981 to imitate The Beatles in a lot of ways that we didn't. 503 00:39:19,537 --> 00:39:21,129 What happened to America... 504 00:39:21,205 --> 00:39:23,969 in this crisis of confidence when The Beatles... 505 00:39:24,042 --> 00:39:27,341 and Freddie and the Dreamers even were wiping out American bands? 506 00:39:27,845 --> 00:39:30,473 America looked at the situation, assessed it... 507 00:39:30,548 --> 00:39:35,281 and within a very short time, by the end of '65, '66... 508 00:39:36,054 --> 00:39:37,954 it was back in business. 509 00:40:00,578 --> 00:40:03,843 In our neck of the woods, they were a pretty popular band. 510 00:40:05,116 --> 00:40:08,847 I never noticed a Hammond organ in my life till I saw The Rascals. 511 00:40:10,021 --> 00:40:13,821 Then we went and scrounged up somebody's old Hammond organ... 512 00:40:14,025 --> 00:40:16,516 and here's a whole other texture of sound. 513 00:40:18,129 --> 00:40:21,587 People don't realize the contribution The Rascals made. 514 00:40:22,333 --> 00:40:26,599 They were the uptown band. They had this vicious rhythm section. 515 00:40:26,671 --> 00:40:28,195 I mean, it was popping. 516 00:40:28,272 --> 00:40:32,800 Between Felix's left hand and Dino Danelli, I mean, it was great! 517 00:40:34,145 --> 00:40:38,673 There was also a tremendous amount of competition between bands. 518 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:41,583 It was a very competitive thing... 519 00:40:41,652 --> 00:40:44,018 between the East Coast and the West Coast. 520 00:40:44,188 --> 00:40:47,248 The Byrds were the West Coast guys at the time. 521 00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:51,753 We became this very free, unstructured act onstage... 522 00:40:51,863 --> 00:40:55,162 and did what we pleased and built around... 523 00:40:58,903 --> 00:41:01,303 a real song-oriented show. 524 00:41:02,406 --> 00:41:05,466 The vocals were great. Gene Clark was a fine lead singer. 525 00:41:05,543 --> 00:41:07,101 And McGuinn and Crosby. 526 00:41:07,578 --> 00:41:10,046 We were really turning into a pretty decent band. 527 00:41:10,114 --> 00:41:12,275 It was starting to sound real musical. 528 00:41:35,306 --> 00:41:37,399 But we couldn't turn down a trip to England... 529 00:41:37,475 --> 00:41:39,773 'cause it was where The Beatles and Stones came from. 530 00:41:39,844 --> 00:41:42,745 We thought maybe something in the water made you sound better. 531 00:41:42,914 --> 00:41:45,712 We didn't know what it was, but we wanted to go over there. 532 00:41:45,783 --> 00:41:49,241 So we went over there, and our unscrupulous promoter... 533 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,811 had billed us as "America's answer to The Beatles." 534 00:41:52,323 --> 00:41:56,384 I mean, The Byrds were not in The Beatles' class ever. 535 00:41:59,030 --> 00:42:02,625 We became a good band, and we had a lot of good ideas... 536 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,567 but we were not America's answer... 537 00:42:05,636 --> 00:42:07,604 to bug spray, let alone The Beatles. 538 00:42:29,427 --> 00:42:32,624 In the early '60s the only people in LA were The Beach Boys... 539 00:42:32,697 --> 00:42:34,562 and a few other bands. 540 00:42:36,868 --> 00:42:41,464 Once we started out there, a lot of the bands started coming to LA. 541 00:42:41,806 --> 00:42:44,900 It seemed like The Byrds were a catalyst... 542 00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:50,806 for that music scene to develop into more of an alternative area. 543 00:42:51,549 --> 00:42:54,848 I was dropped on my head when I was three years old. 544 00:42:54,919 --> 00:42:57,285 Someone was throwing me in the air and catching me. 545 00:42:57,355 --> 00:43:00,051 They called his name, and he looked away and I went... 546 00:43:00,124 --> 00:43:01,557 So I've heard harmony ever since. 547 00:43:01,626 --> 00:43:05,585 When I hear a melody, I hear a harmony to it. It's strange. 548 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:09,188 John arranged everything that The Mamas and The Papas ever did. 549 00:43:09,767 --> 00:43:14,932 He was the vocal arranger from heaven. 550 00:43:15,139 --> 00:43:20,441 I mean, he just had a great magical touch. 551 00:43:48,372 --> 00:43:51,705 Creeque Alley was just a... All of our friends who were in California... 552 00:43:51,776 --> 00:43:55,371 and who were here and there, and what they were doing and what was going on. 553 00:43:55,446 --> 00:43:58,279 The Lovin' Spoonful and The Byrds. 554 00:44:06,357 --> 00:44:11,226 Michelle was the very first runaway in California. 555 00:44:12,096 --> 00:44:16,590 She was the atypical California girl that Brian Wilson wrote a song about. 556 00:44:16,968 --> 00:44:20,904 California Girls. And she was absolutely, ravishingly beautiful... 557 00:44:21,238 --> 00:44:25,834 and had long blond hair, and didn't wear shoes, and had beads... 558 00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:28,242 and had run away, and she was 16 years old. 559 00:44:29,714 --> 00:44:31,079 A real delight. 560 00:44:58,142 --> 00:45:01,270 Denny had one of the most beautiful voices I had ever heard. 561 00:45:01,345 --> 00:45:04,678 So Denny and Michelle... 562 00:45:04,749 --> 00:45:07,240 and I started singing together. 563 00:45:13,324 --> 00:45:15,519 We started to sing as a trio. 564 00:45:16,394 --> 00:45:20,524 And everywhere we went, he was always on the phone... 565 00:45:20,865 --> 00:45:23,766 with this girl that he was talking to. 566 00:45:23,834 --> 00:45:26,860 Constantly. Everywhere we went. Every city we went to. 567 00:45:26,937 --> 00:45:29,633 He was on the phone with this girl named Cass. 568 00:45:29,707 --> 00:45:32,608 And we said, "So who is this chick? Is she your girlfriend?" 569 00:45:40,985 --> 00:45:45,285 We decided that we were going to really keep everything in the song... 570 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:47,687 factual. 571 00:45:47,758 --> 00:45:50,522 We weren't going to take any liberties, you know. 572 00:45:50,795 --> 00:45:53,696 John is a very clever writer, you know. 573 00:45:53,764 --> 00:45:56,824 And the whole song was completed in about three hours. 574 00:46:13,818 --> 00:46:18,050 From LA to London, Rock was now a truly international phenomenon. 575 00:46:19,023 --> 00:46:23,016 And back in England, new bands were busy developing a cocky edge. 576 00:46:23,794 --> 00:46:26,262 They were led by The Who and Pete Townshend... 577 00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:29,822 who made a ritual out of demolishing his electric guitar on stage. 578 00:46:31,569 --> 00:46:36,006 You have to remember that The Who broke a full year and a half... 579 00:46:36,073 --> 00:46:39,565 after The Stones and The Beatles had broken, maybe more than that. 580 00:46:41,212 --> 00:46:43,578 By that time, we were allowed to be angry. 581 00:46:43,647 --> 00:46:46,878 You know, The Stones and The Beatles had broken enough rules. 582 00:46:46,951 --> 00:46:48,851 So our anger wasn't all our own anger. 583 00:46:48,919 --> 00:46:53,822 Our anger was a reflection of the anger that we felt from people in the audience. 584 00:47:39,069 --> 00:47:42,368 I think I wrote it as a series of songs... 585 00:47:42,439 --> 00:47:46,933 about my inability to express... 586 00:47:48,078 --> 00:47:49,875 what I felt to women. 587 00:47:50,514 --> 00:47:54,245 A couple of kids came up and said, '"You know, that was great. '" 588 00:47:54,718 --> 00:47:58,347 And I said, "It's just about some kid who can't explain what he thinks." 589 00:47:58,422 --> 00:48:01,084 And they said, "That's it! That's us!" 590 00:48:01,692 --> 00:48:03,956 That was really when I realized... 591 00:48:04,028 --> 00:48:07,725 that I'd been voted in as spokesman for that bunch of kids. 592 00:48:08,832 --> 00:48:11,858 Most of the scene was actually happening in London. 593 00:48:12,169 --> 00:48:14,797 There was a kind of an invisible line... 594 00:48:14,972 --> 00:48:18,703 that went from just north of London to the rest of England. 595 00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:22,905 It wasn't until The Beatles broke through and became very successful... 596 00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:25,744 that it changed all that geographically. 597 00:48:27,184 --> 00:48:31,086 We came up with Carrie-Anne. That was originally Marianne. 598 00:48:31,155 --> 00:48:33,919 We actually wrote it about Marianne Faithfull... 599 00:48:33,991 --> 00:48:37,051 but didn't have the guts to call it "Marianne." 600 00:48:37,127 --> 00:48:40,585 So we called it "Carrie-Anne," a made-up name we'd never heard of. 601 00:49:12,263 --> 00:49:16,222 I must say, when it came out, I wondered if it was written for me. 602 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,003 But I sort of brushed it aside, like I always have done really. 603 00:49:21,071 --> 00:49:23,005 "No, of course it wouldn't have been." 604 00:49:32,283 --> 00:49:34,478 The bands for me that meant a lot... 605 00:49:35,586 --> 00:49:38,612 primarily The Beatles without question, above all... 606 00:49:38,922 --> 00:49:41,789 The Kinks and the Small Faces... 607 00:49:42,259 --> 00:49:45,626 and somewhere behind them other groups like... 608 00:49:47,498 --> 00:49:49,227 The Spencer Davis Group. 609 00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:17,924 Steve Winwood was now known as this child prodigy... 610 00:50:17,995 --> 00:50:20,987 a title that he didn't take to very kindly, I can assure you. 611 00:50:21,065 --> 00:50:23,295 He didn't like it. He wanted to be a musician. 612 00:50:23,367 --> 00:50:25,028 He wanted to be one of the boys. 613 00:50:55,866 --> 00:50:59,768 In March of 1966, John Lennon made an off-the-cuff remark... 614 00:50:59,870 --> 00:51:02,338 suggesting that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus. 615 00:51:03,073 --> 00:51:05,064 His comments caused an uproar. 616 00:51:05,743 --> 00:51:07,904 In America 's conservative Bible belt... 617 00:51:07,978 --> 00:51:11,209 records were burned and protests organized. 618 00:51:11,615 --> 00:51:13,845 I think John's remark about Jesus Christ... 619 00:51:13,917 --> 00:51:16,784 obviously was a stupid thing to do. 620 00:51:17,221 --> 00:51:19,815 I don't think he meant it the way it was interpreted. 621 00:51:19,890 --> 00:51:22,415 He didn't mean to say, "Hey, we are bigger than Jesus." 622 00:51:22,493 --> 00:51:24,518 What he meant to say was that Jesus... 623 00:51:24,595 --> 00:51:28,156 or rather Christianity didn't seem to be as popular as The Beatles. 624 00:51:28,732 --> 00:51:31,030 The burning of Beatles records... 625 00:51:31,101 --> 00:51:35,060 and the general anti-Beatle element that arose... 626 00:51:35,406 --> 00:51:38,375 was very disturbing. It was pretty rough stuff. 627 00:51:38,842 --> 00:51:40,605 And as you know... 628 00:51:41,345 --> 00:51:45,111 John actually made an apology saying that he didn't mean it that way... 629 00:51:45,182 --> 00:51:48,481 but if he did upset people, he was really sorry about it. 630 00:51:49,253 --> 00:51:53,087 I am not saying that we are better, or greater, or comparing us with... 631 00:51:53,157 --> 00:51:57,560 Jesus Christ as a person, or God as a thing, whatever it is. 632 00:51:57,828 --> 00:52:01,195 I just said what I said, and it was wrong, or was taken wrong... 633 00:52:01,265 --> 00:52:02,732 and now it's all this. 634 00:52:02,866 --> 00:52:07,303 Fame, if you have too much of it, is a pretty heavy penance. 635 00:52:07,538 --> 00:52:09,529 And it got very wearing. 636 00:52:09,606 --> 00:52:11,870 It was in danger of destroying their lives. 637 00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:14,441 So it was difficult for them to cope with that. 638 00:52:15,145 --> 00:52:19,172 That was one of the reasons why they wanted to relax into the studio more. 639 00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:23,384 The Beatles came, and the whole English invasion behind that. 640 00:52:24,855 --> 00:52:28,188 And suddenly here was something that was of my own generation. 641 00:52:28,258 --> 00:52:30,283 Because it was a strange thing... 642 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,195 to soak up the '50s music at the age of 12, when it was really all over. 643 00:52:35,666 --> 00:52:36,792 It was just great. 644 00:52:36,867 --> 00:52:42,100 Exciting, fresh, and interesting. They're very good, really musical and funny. 645 00:52:42,806 --> 00:52:44,774 What can you say about The Beatles? 646 00:52:44,842 --> 00:52:48,209 They really transformed popular music. 647 00:52:48,846 --> 00:52:52,714 Something that I guess we've taken from The Beatles... 648 00:52:52,883 --> 00:52:55,681 is the thing of never trying to repeat yourself. 649 00:52:55,752 --> 00:52:57,481 Always keep moving. 650 00:52:57,855 --> 00:53:01,621 These four guys from Liverpool were stealing a march on us. 651 00:53:02,426 --> 00:53:05,020 It was a slap. It was a brawler for a while... 652 00:53:05,095 --> 00:53:07,563 especially since they were successful... 653 00:53:07,965 --> 00:53:09,432 and we weren't. 654 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:13,368 But we met them real early. They heard about us and came to see us... 655 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,502 one night in some club. 656 00:53:21,345 --> 00:53:25,873 Suddenly they were regular guys, we started talking guitars and songs. 657 00:53:25,949 --> 00:53:29,817 Because at that time Mick and I hadn't considered writing songs. 658 00:53:29,887 --> 00:53:33,414 In fact, if it wasn't for The Beatles, we probably never would have. 659 00:54:14,464 --> 00:54:16,830 The British invasion had the biggest impact on me. 660 00:54:16,967 --> 00:54:19,333 Stuff that was coming out of England... 661 00:54:19,403 --> 00:54:22,201 The Animals and The Stones and The Beatles. 662 00:54:22,272 --> 00:54:24,297 Then I went back and discovered... 663 00:54:24,374 --> 00:54:28,140 a lot of the blues roots and soul roots, and the original records. 664 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:35,140 Taken from www.titlovi.com